Finally got Windows 10 installed

"TheOnelectronic" (theoneelectronic) 08/18/2015 at 20:23 • Filed to: None

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To be fair, the problem wasn’t with Windows 10. It was with Windows 8.1, which absolutely would not go through with the upgrade from 8 no matter what I did. I ended up deleting a lot of things out of desperation, some of which were important. So! Clean install!

Which is fine. I’d been meaning to do that for a long time now.

So far, I really like it. The new file explorer is nice, Cortana can actually do some handy things (“Open Spotify” takes longer than just opening spotify normally, but things like “will it rain tonight” are handy.)

Also, Edge is nice. Really nice. I’m hardly a browser power user, but it supports tabs without being whiny about it and reopens what you had open before when you restart the browser, which is important for me since I usually have about 10-20 tabs open for various things.

The biggest plus is the design. It’s pretty. Really damn pretty. Its clean, unshaded rectilinear (just like most of Windows current design language) elements are distinct and easy to use, and the “dark” theme is gorgeous.

The reason I’m posting this from Chrome, though, is Edge does not currently support extensions, and there’s one really, really, really important extension that everyone should have (and may one day kill the internet as we know it): Adblock.

I don’t even mind normal website ads, but jesus christ on a stick fuck youtube ads. Just fuck them all over.

Before someone says “BUT MUH PRIVACY,” I don’t give a shit. Information is how you pay for the things you use. I fully respect if someone is uncomfortable with data tracking/sharing, but I’m just saying it’s not something I’m going to get upset over.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:26

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I liked 10 until it broke a few days later, now I’m back to 7 and I couldn’t be happier.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:26

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“Edge is Nice” You do realize you have basically admitted to liking Internet Explorer, right? I’m not sure we can be friends now.

1111111111111111111111 > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:29

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Loving it myself. We just got past the 25 installs to activate the kms key. And the first one is in the hands of a regular user. I’m not as big a fan of edge, but that’s only because I can’t use it for enterprise stuff. At home its working okay. Also deploying it has been super painless, the only exemption is injecting video drivers during the upgrade. And that’s just because I haven’t worked on it. They show up when they talk to sccm the first time. Also direct access is pimp.

anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:35

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Tried it on a test computer. I wanted to like it, but it’s just terrible. By the way, you should disable the tracking features that are on by default and hidden deep in the settings. Also, that stupid thing that sends your Wi-Fi password to everyone in your contacts automatically. Oh, and the option that lets Microsoft use your PC as a server to host downloads on, using up your internet without permission :/ And watch out for memory leaks, crashing, and horrible lag. I hope none of that happens to you. Good luck.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:36

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“but muh privacy”

-posted from Windows 10

TheOnelectronic > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 20:41

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I think you missed the last paragraph. I also have ludicrously fast internet on an unmetered connection, so that doesn’t bother me. I’ll let you know if I get any memory leaks or crashing, though.

TheOnelectronic > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 20:41

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Also, when you said you wanted to like it but didn’t, what didn’t you like about it? Just the above issues, or other things?

TheOnelectronic > 1111111111111111111111 08/18/2015 at 20:42

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I know some of those words! I gather you work in IT for a place?

GhostZ > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 20:44

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You’re saying this as if the NSA doesn’t sniff your packets from the ISP and tie them to your device’s manufacturer IDs. No one who wants to track you for malicious purposes is using Windows 10 features to do it.

1111111111111111111111 > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:48

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I do. But I’ve been running it at home since november. Granted my home network is like a small business, but I do the same things. You won’t be disappointed.

TheOnelectronic > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 08/18/2015 at 20:48

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Yep. Do not even remotely give a shit. I moved to Opera/Firefox/Chrome because they were faster, supported tabbed browsing, remembered the tabs I had open when I reopened, and weren’t full of security holes. Edge is all of those things (the last one is only to my knowledge).

Going into something with prejudice based on the past is a great way to miss out on cool things.

Nibby > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 20:48

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I don’t really fuss with the privacy thing much either since I don’t login with an MS account and I don’t use the express settings during the first-run after install.

Works like a charm on my desktop, but on my laptop it rapes the battery and some touchpad gestures do not work the way they should and if I use an older driver it’ll auto-update to newest ones. Fucking annoying. I went back to 7 on that machine.

TheOnelectronic > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/18/2015 at 20:49

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I had to use 7 recently. I just about punched the screen. I got so used to how /fast/ Windows 8 is.

TheOnelectronic > Nibby 08/18/2015 at 20:50

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Interesting. I’ve never had a laptop running windows that I liked how the trackpad worked. It’s honestly my biggest reason for sticking with Apple on that front. Even running Bootcamp on mine isn’t quite as smooth as I’d like.

1111111111111111111111 > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 20:51

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FYI: your smartphone leaks way more juicy info. What ms is doing is pretty benign in comparison. I do agree with turning off WiFi sense though.

anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq > GhostZ 08/18/2015 at 20:51

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I don’t care. It’s not like I’m doing anything illegal, and anyone who hacked my computer wouldn’t find anything good. I don’t even have a credit card. I don’t like that all of these “features” are enabled by default and hidden in the settings. But all of this isn’t as big of a deal as the instability and how unfinished the whole OS looks and feels.

anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq > 1111111111111111111111 08/18/2015 at 20:57

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I’m not saying Microsoft is the only company that does this, and that makes them evil. I’m just disappointed with Windows 10 and this is just one more thing that just ruins it for me. Windows 7 and 8 didn’t have any of this crap.

spanfucker retire bitch > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 21:03

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It doesn’t “share” your password automatically. That’s a gross over simplification. It’s encrypted end to end, but here’s the thing, even if you still think that’s insecure - a perfectly valid opinion if you wish to have it - it still isn’t “automatic.” There’s a checkbox next to every Wifi AP that you access it, and it’s unchecked by default, even if WiFi sense is enabled, and until you check that box, nothing is shared over WiFi sense.

spanfucker retire bitch > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 08/18/2015 at 21:04

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Anyone who still hates IE in 2015 doesn’t know what they’re talking about. I’m sorry, but it’s really as simple as that.

Nibby > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 21:04

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Apple’s bootcamp touchpad drivers are shit. There are very few laptops with *decent* touchpads... and most of the non-Apple ones are either workstations or business machines.

anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq > spanfucker retire bitch 08/18/2015 at 21:07

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So, why does the entire internet say otherwise?

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > spanfucker retire bitch 08/18/2015 at 21:11

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I’m a Firefox fan, and as far as the work I have to do with it goes, I still prefer it. Maybe I will try the new IE just to see if it is really any better, but Chrome is off the table . It is simply too memory intensive and “grabby” There’s no reason for it to need that much info in order to simply function.

mr2gud2u > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 21:11

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I installed it last week. I like it. MS doesn’t get enough credit when they actually release I decent product. I have my PC in the living room, and the “Hey Cortana” function works nice when I’m moving through the house.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > TheOnelectronic 08/18/2015 at 21:13

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I’ve found in many cases, at least in the software world, past performance is a very good indicator or present function. As far as I’m concerned, I may give it a try, but the jury is still out.

TheOnelectronic > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 08/18/2015 at 21:19

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I’ve encountered too many things that are way worse than they used to be (IObit, Firefox) and others that are much better than they used to be (Windows Phone, Fords, Triumphs, Ducatis, etc...) to really think that way, I guess.

spanfucker retire bitch > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 08/18/2015 at 21:21

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I use Firefox as well, but the fact of the matter is, IE hasn’t been deplorable since IE9 and it hasn’t been the worst browser since 10 or 11. Edge is a whole new beast. It’s a fork of the old IE code with hundreds of thousands of legacy code removed.

spanfucker retire bitch > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 21:23

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The entire internet doesn’t say otherwise. Just those that don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, or they’re “in” by bashing IE.

The two biggest things that Chrome claims for its fame - sandboxing and per-process architecture - were both present in IE before Chrome. And let’s not even get into GPU Hardware Acceleration where IE was the very first, followed by Firefox, followed by Chrome literally years afterwards.

IE hasn’t been a shit browser for years now. As a matter of fact, the highest prize pool at the last Pwn2Own hacking competition - which discovers and discloses vulnerabilities - was a fully patched Windows 8, with IE11, EMET and IE’s Enhanced Protected Mode enabled.

It went unchallenged (as no one there had a good workaround for it) for the entire year. It wasn’t until next year that someone found a way around and it, and had to use something like 4+ simultaneous process escalation flaws and a kernel vulnerability to do so.

1111111111111111111111 > anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq 08/18/2015 at 21:56

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Both do about the same. Also all of the privacy concerns can be countered (mostly). Don’t be a complete stick in the mud. If you’re a power user and care then just fix it.

1111111111111111111111 > spanfucker retire bitch 08/18/2015 at 22:00

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All true, but EMET makes the browser so damn hard to use.

spanfucker retire bitch > 1111111111111111111111 08/19/2015 at 06:44

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How? I’ve never had an issue with EMET and I have it enabled for IE, Chrome and Firefox. Never resulted in any problems.

Dunnik > TheOnelectronic 08/20/2015 at 03:49

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I’ve been running it for a bout a week now, so far, so good. Like many I skipped Win 8 entirely and upgraded from 7.

Made sure to disable all the ways Microsoft siphons info from my computer, except for the lowest-level diagnostic information. Completing disabling it requires a registry hack which is easy enough, but I do want to provide some diagnostics, to better help myself other users.